Ups and downs like any player but how a SoO player is dropping those balls I don't know.

Charnley for me is an absolute disgrace. Commentators blaming Sarge for passing. Rubbish. Charnley is the epitome of an auto-pilot player. He must be on a good wage and he's done nothing to earn it.

Crosby offered nothing at all. Completely anonymous.

O'Loughlin is knackered and again is just taking up a place in the squad at this point. I see no suitable replacement either.

Saints were alright and probably would have still won it, but that was gifted to them. Embarassed of that.

Felt sorry for Bowen tonight. Still has the occasional touch of class about him (see Magic Weekend) but is so full of errors and his confidence is rock bottom. Major problem for Wigan at fullback until Sam comes back.

Poster above wasn't watching the game, Crosby went well.

First one was a terrible bounce, second was just poor.

We gifted them that game, stupid errors followed by a penalty that then lead to a try, embarrassing performance. Saint thoroughly deserved it, they did nothing fancy, they just didn't play as dumb as we did.

I'm confused, didn't Ben "worth thirty points" Flower play tonight?

Just one of those days. Sad it had to come in a derby though. I don't think Saints made a mistake in that second half (?) and we gave them 22 points on a plate.

And this is why I wish Shaun Wane would shut up.

FWIW I thought he had a decent game but could've done more minutes.

Cunningham said in his interview we completed at 95% in the second half so one error I'd imagine. Always hard to compete with that considering the size of our pack. Bowen had a shocker though, which I was quite surprised by considering how well he played against Leeds. Don't think he was helped by reasonably lax kick pressure though from your forwards.

Does Waney go with Bowen v Salford, Hampshire, or try someone new at full back?

One try was from a bad bounce, the other was a dreadful drop from a lousy kick from Saints. Not one of their players within 10 yards when he dropped it.

Waney's between a rock and a hard place with his full back position.

Team game and the 'team' was appalling tonight. We dominated the first 25 mins and should have been 20 points clear but we bombed chance after chance. They desperately need to wake up and produce something. The team plays in the image of its coach and things needs to change.

In all honesty going back to the fullback issue we simply must start to play a safe option at fullback. As soon as Manfredi is back I'd put him or Burgess in there.

I'm not convinced Burgess or Manfredi's passing/pass selection is good enough for them to play fullback in the style Wigan need. Your entire structure with the three or four second man plays is obviously based around getting the fullback on an edge with a gap for the fullback, centre or winger. If your fullback can't pick the right option consistently, that structure is a bit limited. I'd go with Hampshire. He's not rock solid under kicks but the more he gets used to playing at fullback the better that will get, and he's a genuine ball-playing option. He's also too talented to be sitting out most weeks.

I don't think full-back is even our most concerning position. We need Gelling back as Tomkins' defence is dreadful (ditto Charnley) and Matty Smith was absolutely anonymous again.

Only listened to the game on Wish FM, but imo Wane made some glaring team selection errors. He said a few weeks ago how he needed to manage Bowen's "old legs": Bowen should thus not have played both last Sunday against Huddersfield and then backed up tonight with only 4 days rest. Hampshire should have played one of the games. Maybe Wane felt he couldn't rest Bowen after his match winning performance against Leeds, but a smarter coach may well have made the tough (and as it turned out correct) decision.
Wigan had a big bench against Leeds ( ie 4 props/second rows and no Powell) and this worked very well. Sutton should have been on the bench tonight instead of Powell and MM should have played most of the game - as he did against Leeds.
And surely Rocky deserves to be given a chance at 6 with Williams at 7 - their rightful places. I am afraid Smith was very anonymous yet again - poor kicking out of hand and missing conversions he should be getting. He may be "experienced" but that does not seem to add much to the team performance.
Some appalling individual errors resulted in the defeat but would they have happened if the team selection had been different? Would a fresh Bowen have had a stormer like he did against Leeds rather than a shocker if he hadn't played last Sunday?