For me it is, I don’t care about beautiful rugby, entertainment value, flashy players, or the like.

Just give me the victories in whatever fashion we can get them



Hopefully Steve Price gets the message.

It’s what Shaun Wane was/is about and he was labelled a pariah by a lot fans, yet not so long ago some of was calling for him to be our coach.

I think we’d find ‘boring rugby’ exciting if it was leading to trophies. ‘At least we play interesting rugby’ is a rationalisation of losers.

Yes, winning is what matters most. Learn how to do what matters first and then worry about doing it with flair. You don’t see F1 teams getting lapped every week bragging about their paint jobs.

The best teams, [ichampion[/i teams can do both, as needs dictate, switching between flair and shirt sleeves rolled up tenacity during a season and even a match.

There was a discernible shift in style for Saints and Wigan in the final months of last season as matches got tougher, conditions heavier and stakes higher.

An inability to adapt belies our poor coaching, preparation and one dimensional thinking.

I’ve been satisfied with periods of effort and a good fight tbh. We’ve no given right to win and be successful all the time. If it was all about winning, there’s plenty clubs with fans that wouldn’t say it was.

Well done "rubber. The voice of reason.
Happy Xmas.

Why was Shaun Wayne 'moved on' from his position at Wigan ? Didn't he win 3 SL finals during his tenure ?

Not 100% sure but thought I read about a disagreement about the Hardaker signing.

Was he moved on? I thought he might just fancy picking up a decent salary for much less work. Union has much more money.

It could be although he was 'only' Scottish high performance coach, would that have paid more ? I don't know perhaps it would. As Karetaker said, there were a number of rumours floating around as to why he left, but we never heard a " I am bored / have achieved everything at Wigan and want a new challenge" statement from him. That put me in the 'he was moved on' rumour camp.

Over the next few years with the financial difficulties that the game will face we may well have to face reducing the number of franchises and looking at mergers again. I wouldn't want us to merge with Widnes but how would you feel about a joint venture with St Helens? It would bring us in with their management and youth development and their more ambitious fans who would not tolerate failure in the way that ours do.

I expect at first there would be a lot of opposition but if a merged Saints-Wire team won Grand Finals people would come on board.

I think they would have paid more (quite a bit I reckon) & he was only working something like 3 days a week. He also had the potential, if he became flavour of the month, that he could make very very big money elsewhere.
We lose lots of coaches to Union and God knows how many good players decide at a young age that Union has to be the game for them.
I really doubt he was moved on and I am very sceptical of League rumours ... some make anything up.